we have lonely old folks and even some not so old.. they know the gb are not who they claim to be.. but they stay in the congregation because they are lonely.
i wonder what percentage of jws this is the case, i would guess a lot.
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JWs have a huge turnover.
@Anony Mous
It could be the most of ANY group.
In other words, even when facing the most horific costs associated with leaving like losing your loved ones due to the extreme shunning.... 2/3 of JW kids still no longer identify with Watchtower as adults.
Think about that.
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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.
Which modern English version do you say includes the word “Lord”?
21st Century KJV
New King James Version
Modern English Version (2013)
I'm sure there a few more I missed.
I'm curious as to whether of not you believe if how the early church leaders quoted verses should affect a person's view on verses disputed by Unitarians such as yourself?
Do you believe quotes from disciples that the apostles trained have any bearing on bible readings you dispute?
https://youtu.be/np05twylal8?si=wjcdevvpxmlwxb2p.
shame is an ancient form of control.
shame is the mechanism used to control behaviour.
@nicolau,
I stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address. If you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what Jesus offers, then why don't YOU present that in a new topic?
If you really don't have one, you just end looking like another atheist blowhard with an ax to grind against Christians.
https://youtu.be/np05twylal8?si=wjcdevvpxmlwxb2p.
shame is an ancient form of control.
shame is the mechanism used to control behaviour.
Nicolaou,
God ... Won't lift a finger to protect you from an assailant or rapist....
You have no way of knowing if this is true or not, especially since you are an atheist.
As you already know, the answer to evil is to either judge it or take away our free will, make us robots and prevent the possibility of evil. Over and over a man who predicted that he would die and raise himself from the dead, while he was dead, said that there would be a personal judgment for everyone. That is God's answer to the problem of evil. You just don't like it, even though you have no clue of a practical and acceptable alternative.
Billions of people have rejected the meaningless atheist drivel like what you present. It offers no hope, no justice and no solution to the problem of evil or death.
Building on this ignorance, you "reason" that faith based addiction programs are a waste of time since evil still exists.
This study reviews the voluminous empirical evidence on faith’s contribution to preventing people from falling victim to addictions and helping them recover from it. 73% of addiction treatment programs in the USA include a spirituality-based element, as embodied in the 12-step programs and fellowships initially popularized by Alcoholics Anonymous, the vast majority of which emphasize reliance on God or a Higher Power to stay sober.
The nearly 130,000 congregation-based substance abuse recovery support programs in the USA contributes up to $316.6 billion in savings to the US economy every year at no cost to tax payers. 84% of scientific studies show that faith is a positive factor in addiction prevention or recovery.
https://youtu.be/np05twylal8?si=wjcdevvpxmlwxb2p.
shame is an ancient form of control.
shame is the mechanism used to control behaviour.
Where is any of the nonsense presented in this video found in the bible? All pure cult manure. All based on will power.... no credit to God for victory over this or any other addiction.
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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.
That is not true SBF.
But you are correct that the early Christians referred to Jesus as "God" and "Lord" when referring to him in their writings. That verse reads the same in the Modern English Version as well as several others. It also reads that way in the vast majority of all ancient manuscripts.
But, that's not the point. The point is that the WT used it as the Word of God, and taught at one time that Jesus was "the Lord from heaven". They also depicted him on a cross as well as debunked the idea that he was an an incarnated angel.
That was a new one for me when I saw this posted on FB.
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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.
I think there is a lot here that most JW's today would deny.
The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second man was the Lord from heaven. - 1 Cor. 15: 47
That's huge.
Me: Excuse me Mr. J. W. Cartman,
Were you aware that the Watchtower used to teach that Jesus was "the Lord from heaven"?
Them: No, that is not possible. The truth never changes.
Me: It's true. It is printed right here in this book titled The Harp of God, written by a president of your church. It is located right next to this picture of Jesus hanging on a cross.
like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.
how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.
there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.
The angel told John not to worship him because that angel was not God, he was a minister of God which all angels are. And not only is Jehovah God a spirit but all angels are spirits, and all angels are God's sons', including Satan.
I'm glad we cleared that up.
Do not let anyone cheat you of your reward by delighting in false humility and the worship of angels, dwelling on those things which he has not seen, vainly arrogant due to his unspiritual mind. - Col. 2:18 MEV
Now can you expalin to me from the bible how you are saved? Do you still personally reject the New Covcenant "for the forgiveness of sins" in Mt. 26: 27-28 ?
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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.
No wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from Kingdon Hall Libraries.
like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.
how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.
there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.
Duran,
Until you give up your heretical pagan worship of angels, you are stuck.
In response to John’s wrongful attempt to worship an angel in Revelation, the angel says, “See that you do not do that! . . . Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy” (Revelation 19:10, NKJV). It is critical to understand that this statement is a response to John’s intention to worship the angel. Because of the construction of the clause in the original language (Greek), there are three common understandings of "the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy":
1. Jesus is the substance of all prophecy, or, put another way, Jesus is the common theme among all prophecy.
2. All true prophecy bears witness about Jesus. Therefore, all prophecy should cause us to worship Him alone.
3. The message or testimony given by Jesus is the essence of true prophecy. Jesus is the Word, and no prophecy comes to us except through Him, ultimately pointing to God as the source of all true prophecy.
I put this little chart together that illustrates the CLEAR Christian teaching that Jesus is both fully God and fully Man.
